Return of Everything PAISTE

[solitary glen]

Originally Posted by ROMAN

Paiste Custom Math, for anyone interested in custom ordering anything. This math is for any CuSn8 pie in 22"

Sorry, wanted to share this, since I spent 5 minutes typing it up for someone. If this doesnt make sense, let me know.

When custom ordering from paiste, you are charged a 30% fee. However, say you buy your cymbals at 57% off MSRP. Then, you would actually deduct 57% from 30% (of what you got after deducting 57% from MSRP) (the custom fee), then add that total to 57% off MSRP. Make sense?

$526 x .43 = $226 (what you actually pay for the cymbal, minus custom charges)
$226 x .30 = $67 (what 30% of your actual charges are)
$67 x .43 = $29 (what you get after you deduct the % you got off MSRP, from the custom fee of 30%)
$226 + $29 = $255 (what you should pay when custom ordering say a 22" 2002 Ride)

Thanks ROMAN! I appreciate this.

[Tre Cool The 2nd]

Originally Posted by ROMAN

Paiste Custom Math, for anyone interested in custom ordering anything. This math is for any CuSn8 pie in 22"

Your maths is correct and I dont know if that is the system they use so Ill stick with that but the maths is a bit complicated for the maths newbie, for example your way of working out percentages.

A 22" 2oo2 ride "should" cost about 526 US dollars.
This particular shop has a 57 percent discount.
There is no need to work the selling price as I dont think a shop in the world would give you the recommended price and make you work out what they are gonna sell it at with their discount.




So in reality you go to the shop and you find the cymbal that you want base your custom order on.
If you wanted to get a 22" china you would need to find how much a 22" 2oo2 would cost (your base price).

Armed with this price you load it calculator and do some target practice.

To find the surcharge you need to divide the base price by 100 and multiply it by 30.

Now, the discount the shop has needs to be applied to the surcharge. In this case the discount is 57% off.
So you divide the answer you got above by 100 and multiply by 43
The reason its 43 is because you have the full price (100%) minus the discount (57%) which gives you 43%.

Now you have the base price for your custom order and the surcharge with the discount applied. Now just add them.

Just for the peeps who dont love maths like Roman or I would.
Peace out.

[ROMAN]

Yes, Tre is right. Really, for any drummer, it shouldnt be this hard, and really it's not. However, the point is (for anyone doing any custom ordering, like I have, 20 cymbals in the past 3 months alone!), you are NOT paying MSRP (full price) PLUS 30%. That would be a very costly cymbal, and no man on earth would pay that. Bottom line, you pay a % of that custom fee, based on what you get off MSRP. However, if you live overseas as some PDFers do, I am told they dont get much of anything off MSRP, if at all. So, in that case, it's way to costly, and I would avoid customs like the plauge. LOL.. In the end, in the US, if you find the right dealer, and sweet talk him/her, you can get a very nice deal on customs. I basically pay what anyone would pay for a normal cymbal (actually less then that even), even with the custom fees added in.

Now, maybe that will get everyone motivated to order a heap of customs, so Paiste will have no choice but to say "YES" (the magic word!)...

[amazing]

Originally Posted by ROMAN

Blah. Ink can wait. Paiste cannot.

PS Just got my new double bass reference kit today! Yeah!

It can but I want it. What happened to the phattie? I awalys wanted a granite sparkle refrence. I hate you.

[Stranjluv101]

Originally Posted by ROMAN

Paiste Custom Math, for anyone interested in custom ordering anything. This math is for any CuSn8 pie in 22"

Sorry, wanted to share this, since I spent 5 minutes typing it up for someone. If this doesnt make sense, let me know.

When custom ordering from paiste, you are charged a 30% fee. However, say you buy your cymbals at 57% off MSRP.

before i start wrapping my brain around all the figures, WHERE IN THE H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS DO YOU GET 57% OFF MSRP????????

[ROMAN]

Originally Posted by amazing

It can but I want it. What happened to the phattie? I awalys wanted a granite sparkle refrence. I hate you.

I returned the phattie. Long story.

Originally Posted by Stranjluv101

before i start wrapping my brain around all the figures, WHERE IN THE H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS DO YOU GET 57% OFF MSRP????????

Just any local paiste dealer, like Guitar Center. Really, for all those who would like that cost, try this...

Drum Authority sells paistes at 55% off list, if you buy more then 1. You take that quote to any GC, and they will match, then beat it. You would end up with around 56% off, which is not bad. I simply went one step further, and then some with my dealer. I actually pay 59% off list now.

[I_Love_Maiden]

hey guys, saw some paiste in action saturday night when i saw GWAR on halloween! and yes, it is comfirmed, Jesus himself, frilock, ninja turtles, spacemen, and several hippies including myself are all GWAR fans haha

while on that, does anybody know what jizmak uses on his kit at the momment? what's on wikipedia isn't accurate and there's nothing on the paiste website either except a note that he is a paiste artist haha, no setup posted

also, does anybody have a good comparason of 18" giant beat and 18" 2002 medium? thanks

[Dark Overlord]

Originally Posted by I_Love_Maiden

also, does anybody have a good comparason of 18" giant beat and 18" 2002 medium? thanks

Well I can help you there.

I own the GB and have compared it directly to the 2002 med as well as the 2002 thin and the plain old 2002.

The GB multi has some ride properties that all the others lack althoughthe 18 is too quite to use as a ride in unmic'd rock situations. Not to bad in an acoustic setting though.

The GB has the most pronouced Paiste sparkle at the end of the wash of the bunch. It is far warmer then the 2002 or the 2002 med. I'd say the 2002 thin is a hair warmer then the GB esp since is has the least amount of sparkle in the wash. While I would not describe any of these cymbals as having a "harsh" or gong-like wash. The med has the harshest finish. Here's an easy comparision chart- all opinion of course:

Overall volume:
1. 2002 Med
2. 2002
3. GIant Beat
4. 2002 thin

Initial attack: (Meaning immediate punch)
1. 2002 med
1. 2002
3. Giant Beat
4. 2002 Thin

Complexity of finish/wash:
1. Giant Beat
2. 2002 thin
3. 2002
4. 2002 med

Shimmer:
1. Giant Beat
2. 2002 med
3. 2002
4. 2002 thin

Its hard to judge pitch cause the Giant beat starts as the 2nd lowest pitched of the bunch (thin being the lowest) but ends as higher pitched then the others, but again its that super pronounced Paiste sparkle speaking to you in the finish.

I own the 18 and 20 GB and had compared them directly when purchasing to all of these and the 2002 wilds as well as the 20 series crashes when making my choices.

[Action Jackson]

Here are some pics of my new Paiste setup I realy like sigs and new sig DE's. These are on stands but I will post some better ones later.

[ROMAN]

Originally Posted by I_Love_Maiden

while on that, does anybody know what jizmak uses on his kit at the momment? what's on wikipedia isn't accurate and there's nothing on the paiste website either except a note that he is a paiste artist haha, no setup posted

I thought I remember seeing lots of 2002s. Not sure though. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Dark Overlord

Well I can help you there.

Wow. Very nice reviews! In depth as HECK!!! Impressive!

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Here are some pics of my new Paiste setup I realy like sigs and new sig DE's. These are on stands but I will post some better ones later.

VERY NICE! Me likes the power hats!!

[Dark Overlord]

Originally Posted by ROMAN

Wow. Very nice reviews! In depth as HECK!!! Impressive!

Thanks

Originally Posted by Action Jackson

Here are some pics of my new Paiste setup I realy like sigs and new sig DE's. These are on stands but I will post some better ones later.

Very Purdy, me likes. Esp the hats, but them DEs take a nice pic!

[Stranjluv101]

Originally Posted by ROMAN

I returned the phattie. Long story.



Just any local paiste dealer, like Guitar Center. Really, for all those who would like that cost, try this...

Drum Authority sells paistes at 55% off list, if you buy more then 1. You take that quote to any GC, and they will match, then beat it. You would end up with around 56% off, which is not bad. I simply went one step further, and then some with my dealer. I actually pay 59% off list now.

Huh, what do you know! I don't buy a lot of new pies, but I will remember that when I buy in the future! never heard of Drum Authority!